Prologue

(numbers on this document are referenced by numbers, the
footnotes are at the bottom of the Document.)

This is a very sensitive issue on today’s social church set up,
as we already know that so many have a tendency to read
into or re-interpret the Bible, this is clearly a violation of
the fact we brake the ordinances of God by questioning the
things that are written in the Bible, and going beyond these
things that are clearly essential and clearly has been told
through scripture what remains to be forbidden, and they
are the very things we disobey our selves.

You may wonder about this article, why bring up an issue
that many have said is not practiced amongst the churches
anymore? Well because women teaching and usurping
authority does continue In many churches today. The
common words used to try to justify such acts is “balance,
Love, Unity, Family, barriers and finally emotionally lead
by how we desire to practice our faith in a emotional sense
of being able to build up by being tolerant, even if the view maybe wrong”, I find it an ongoing uphill battle that the
issue of Church role seems to be the problem for other
people, I have the view that we should not sit on the fence.
The other question is, what is the Balance between hot or
cold? when we know what God hates is being luke warm,
maybe it is common that not many people realise by one
of the actions that is used in the way your influenced to a
form of (1.) love bombing into feeling that there is no
“luke-warm” in your decisions and responses, to the
point where you have no given time to think.

A majority of leaders once considered these very matters
essential, now they are considered non-essential matters
in the church, I find it however this a difficult matter as
there are not many who would look into and confront
such issues.

From the beginning of creation God made men and women
with emotions, the fact being women are more emotional
then men, for a specific reason, as God made men
differently in the context of that men were created to
be in a different position then women, as we have proof
of what happened in the garden from the beginning
because of that emotion eve fell into temptation thus
disobeyed God, because of this eve was seducing Adam
into sin, but God shows us why there is a place for men
and there is a place for women, in Gods order and
structure God has designed it that way, and the way
that God has commanded that.

End of prologue

In the Bible first of all I want to look at a woman’s role
in the position of the Church as a congregational
member of that church, and how a woman should
behave, act and humble them selves also to act in
humility according to Christ and Paul’s instructions,
as we read in In

1 Corinthians 14:34-36

"Let your women keep silent in the churches, for
they are not permitted to speak; but they are to
be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to
learn something, let them ask their own husbands at
home; for it is shameful for women to speak in
church, for Adam was formed first, then Eve."

Here quite clearly this is a commandment for the gentile
church, if a congregation of a Church desires to lead and
live as a example for Jesus Christ, this is to be taken at
face value, but we would have some who would over look
this particular commandment, the reason “there are
many commandments in the Bible” the bible also tells
us not to be willingly ignorant on the instructions that
God gave us.

People are willing to ignore the things that God has
commanded when he makes things simple to read
and understand, the fact that most of the new testament
is not difficult to understand we don’t always need to
interpret them as God’s word was written for the
common man.

The Bible clearly explains why the role of the woman
is to be submissive and for women to adorn them
selves in modesty both in attitude and behaviour
Genesis 3:16 says, "Unto the woman He said…your
desire shall be to your husband, and he shall
rule over you."

God also wanted it this way for women to be obedient
in the confines of scripture this is a simple way that
God is showing about the leadership role of a person
is a man, but also that a right place for a man to teach
is on the pulpit and not a woman.

Many people reject the things that God has commanded,
but as this is was not a commandment or a rule that
was set by man, thus their fore is this is Gods, Romans
9:20, "But indeed, O man, who are you to reply
against God? Will the thing formed say to him
who formed it, Why have you made me like
this?" Who are we to question God?

Their you have it again who was formed first and why
is their rejection of Gods word, 1 Timothy 2:11-13
again the same commandment that God gave to us
says, "Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have
authority over a man, but to be in silence For Adam
was first formed, then Eve."

Their fore it is clear to me and that what God has
commanded, and God has ordered it to be that way,
the words I do not permit is actually God saying I
forbid a woman to teach or to have authority over
a man in the church role, there are no variations of
teaching, it is just teaching at all, as a essential
commandment that should be part of church life
and conduct, if we disobey the very things that
God has spoken out against, we sin and will be
held accountable for that very act.

God because he is so holy he cannot bless the things
that are committed against his word and his order,
this is what separates us from God because we desire
to do the right things in our own lives, yet we don’t
desire the things that God has said.

My concern is that when the leaders of a church allows
a woman to stand on the pulpit before men and women
in the church, more importantly when a woman starts
preaching, teaching, leading prayer or lead singing she
is in a direct disobedience to what God has said and this
is not worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth, she
perverts that very commandment and as a result
of this their for she is in rebellion to God, thus
becomes vain worship because they transgress the
things that God has set and commanded for our own
good and as such people desire to see what is right in
their own eyes rather then what God has said.

It is quite often interesting when people quote
Galatians 3:28  "There is neither Jew nor Greek,
slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all
one in Christ Jesus."

How this is taken out of context and they don’t really
explain what it actually means, when this is a issue
of salvation and not lordship or church role, this is
saying we are part of the body of Christ as in salvation
we are his equals, not in the order or role-ship in fact
Galatians 3:28 is rearing to the body of Christ the
bride meaning his people the Jews and the church,
this Is why it is often taken out of context, God is
showing that though we are created differently male
and female to serve Gods order, the order that was
established by God him self.

The established order is that the church is in subject
to Christ, but women are subject unto the authority
of men, if the woman is not their fore married she is
under subjection to the leadership of men according to
the boundaries that God has set in the confines of
scripture, and the leadership that is under the authority
of the gospel and the commandments of God.

Getting onto the subject of the woman and the serpent,
Satan knew that what God has created and knew that
women are more emotional then men, and knew that
because of the emotion of the woman was stronger then
a mans emotions it was easy for him to lead Eve astray,
as we read in the book of Genesis that Eve was lead
astray by Satan first because the very thing he saw in
Adam’s weaknesses was Eve, because Eve could easily
entice Adam, that coursed Adam to commit sin,
resulting in the fall of creation.

As we read in Genesis 3:6 When the woman saw that the
fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye,
and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and
ate it. She also gave some to her husband, and he ate it.

We can also see the prophetesses in the Bible were both
Godly and un-Godly as we can see a perfect example of
a Godly woman also a prophetess called Ester, she was
always in obedience to God, Ester never went against the
role-ship of Gods established order, Ester was always
under her husbands authority that even then her husband
ruled over her she was very careful and was a very
humble maidservant to the Lord God.

One example of a bad prophetess was called in Revelation
2:20 Nevertheless I have this against you: You tolerate
that Woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess.
By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual
immorality and eating of food sacrificed to Idols.

as regards to 1 Timothy 2:13 - 14 it is also clearly showing
from the passage, that a woman cannot officiate as
instructors for doctrine in the home or in the church,
that role was clearly given by God for the leaders and
God’s anointed apostles who were all lead by men, as
they were lead by the holy spirit from this example thus
because if woman are emotional they also have the
tendency to easily be lead astray, thus enticed by their
own emotions, as this view is what was given by God,
this is what is called a fixed position this cannot be changed
nor should it be overlooked less we fall under the hand of
judgement from God himself.

If the leaders in a position of church role dose not submit
to under the instruction and the authority of God and his
council, we also look at why women were under the
instruction as mentioned in

1 Corinthians 14:34 - 40 Let your women keep silence in
the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;
but they are Commanded to be under obedience as
also saith the law. And if they will learn anything,
let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a
shame for women to speak in the church. What?
Came the word of God from you? Or came to you only?
If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let
him acknowledge that the things that I write unto
you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any
man be Ignorant, let him be ignorant wherefore, brethren
covet to prophesy and forbid it not to speak with tongues
Let all things be done decently and in order.

God speaks quite clearly on this issue, that he made the
men as teachers, this is why this commandment was
passed, time after time women were talking while the
men were trying to listen to what was being said at the
front of the alter, the women are told that they should
be learned and independently receive this education at
home privately, in this passage God is also talking about
order, that He is showing He makes him self be known
and Paul who was inspired by God is saying that God
has commanded it and we need to be under the obedience
of His commandments, that because some are willing to
remain in ignorant on the issue, therefore fine have it
your own way, but he is showing there is also
consequences of our actions of being disobedient to
God and his word, God is also showing that He is a
God of order and He wants people to live to do what
ever he instructs, His way is decent and therefore
are our approach and attitude should be proper and
decent.

As we also see examples of the role of women in the
book of Titus, and we look and the instructions that
were given to women in the church from teaching to
speaking, as we see also quite clear that there are to
be no women teachers, to be teaching men, that a
woman can and should teach younger women and
children, teaching in a mixed group in a non-structured
format of church set up dose not mean in cases of
evangelism and sharing, in regards to the passage
mentioned before it was written plainly to easy
understood instruction.

As we also see in 1 Corinthians it’s not just for the sake
of asking a particular question but its about the way a
woman should be educated and that every thing has its
proper place.

When we also look at the gifts of the spirit one of its fruits
is self-control Mary the mother of Jesus showed the greatest
example to that she was humble and kept her thoughts to
her self.

When 1 Corinthians stated let women keep silent it was
to show obedience to God, that God through Paul gave
this instruction to all the churches not just one, that
women need to learn to be submissive to the authority
of God through this commandment, this means any form
of teaching from a woman cannot be permissible under
authority God, and that these matters do and must apply
for today and in today’s church conduct.

Any one who add or takes from this book has put them
selves under judgement from God, and is in danger of
their part in Gods book of life, as we have seen that
warning in revelation,

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words
of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part
out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the
things which are written in this book.

This command men cannot change nor do we have the
right to because of the change in our culture or our thinking,
these rules were pass down from the apostles thus they are
their to be obeyed, Paul leaves us with a question What?
Came the word of God from you? Or came to you only?
in first Corinthians 14:36, do people really think then
and now in this day and age they are better then Paul
on these issues, was it not the apostles who wrote the
word of God in the new testament, by this Paul states
how immature you are and not even spiritual, but
carnally minded people you are, as he described it to
those who ignore this commandment, in 1 Corinthians
14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or
spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that
I write unto you are the commandments of
the Lord.

Paul also shows this example in

1 Corinthians 1:2 unto the church of God which is at
Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus,
called to be saints, with all in that in every place call
upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs
and ours:

We now see that Paul is also making it clear, that under
the law God demands obedience to Him, so then we
clearly know that Paul was not referring to the law
under the old covenant, nor was he referring to the
law of the Pharisees witch we know Paul who once
practiced this refuted it, nor dose it either refer to a
Levitical law, Paul was setting Godly principal, as we
see it from the beginning of creation, this is referenced
in Genesis For Adam was first formed, then Eve. and
also your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall
rule over you. as a clear instruction to women, the bible
also uses the Greek word laleo with means to use or
speak with authority, but if we also look at this instruction
as a generalised instruction, it is for every one, and though
the passage dose not talk about unmarried women, their
fore let their unmarried women ask their fathers at home
also.

Paul described also this commandment for a public
gathering, made up of men and women mixed, but
neither the less women are instructed that in front
of people in a public gathering there are the fact
that a woman cannot teach men assembled or
accumulated in front of a whole audience, the fact
that women can read notices and worship but they
cannot disobey the scriptures as it would be a
shameful act in the eyes of God.

The Apostle Paul has already instructed in 2 Timothy
2:1-3 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace
that is in Christ Jesus. And the things that thou hast
heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit
thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach
others also; thou therefore endure hardness, and a
good soldier of Jesus Christ.

there is no were in this passage and in scripture that
says that we should train women up to be teachers, it
only says men, the issue is that God wants the men to
rise up in the church and take their God given place.

As getting back to that instruction that women are
forbidden to teach or to give clear instruction in front
of a group of men, that the things that are not forbidden
is for them to teach non-adult men, that they can
officiate in the reading of notices, they however cannot
explain in detail on the scriptures to men, nor can they
educate people on definitive terms, or that would be a
breach the confines of the way a group who is in
fellowship as motioned in Acts 2:42 And they continued
steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and
in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

This is one clear examples of a Church meeting, if women
were to use authority in teaching in the way they expound
on the word having a prepared statement to give instruction
then it would be quite clear that scripture would mention this.

As well as their need to be some recognised authority in
scripture that condones this act of teaching, but there is
no where in scripture that would back this up.

Their needs to be from the leaders of the church explaining
clearly where they stand on this subject, like as this was
already done and instructed by Paul the Apostle to gave
a clear word, to Timothy in 2 Timothy 2:1-3 as he clearly
stated commit these to faithful men who will be able to
teach others

Notice not one mention of the way we should build and
train women to teach, there is not a single word that
would indicate any justified reason that a woman can teach.

This is the Order and way that God has put it, 1 Corinthians
1:18 - 9 For the man is not of the woman by the woman of
the man neither was the man created for the woman by the
woman for the man.

God has established his order that through the beginning
of creation, man was always to be the head of the woman,
that the woman Eve was created to be Adam’s helper, as
with the women for today, they are to be the helper of the
man, Gods order in creation was that God was showing
what that role-ship concerning men and women in the
church is supposed to be, and the order God has made
it for it was the woman that came from Adam’s rib, and
as God created women to be secondary from the man,
that God’s instruction and commandment stands today,
this cannot be reversed, neither can any order that God
has commanded can be changed also.

Pro-feminist are liberals who are people who would do the
opposite and try to change any meaning concerning the
women’s role in the church, to the point that they would
undermine any authority that the apostles have written
about in the Bible, thanks to the feminist movement this
is a factor of today’s church role set-up, the feminist’s
were responsible for the freedom of women today in
society, as was also the key for Church rebellion as women
who attended churches wanted to do the very things that
men could do under God.

In the garden of Eden God made woman for a reason,
to be the companion and the helper to Adam, as he was
made to be the head of the woman Eve, as God is trying
to show that to the women in the church, to the point
where in God’s spirit is trying to show the church what
that order is, if God is the head of the church, we all the
more so, should come under the instruction that God
has set through the churches, by obeying what God
has said about women’s role, is that we need to look
at creation, Gods natural order, that in the bible it
says that God made out of the man, woman, as people
don’t accept that the fact that Eve was created after
Adam they feel that God has put women at a
disadvantage, and discouraged into thinking that what
the apostles said on this issue on the importance of
instruction concerning men and women he has passed
a unchangeable canonised portion of scripture, as he
has done this 3 times on getting on to the issue of why
in the eyes of God that the consumption (eating) of
blood is strictly forbidden and a major act of sin, as
this is another essential issue that I will be covering
in a separate document.

It is easy for a pro-feminist to take charge and change
any meaning to what the bible has spoken about, as
the spread of this change in teaching on the role for
women, this was changed from the fact that once God
has taught it to be a forbidden act and commanded us
not to disobey him on this issue, or their would be a
matter for Him to act according to his Judgements,
and turn this into a suggestion rather then some thing
you have to obey thus it becomes over looked.

Far to often it is taught that the role-ship of women in
the order of establishment is pass as “cultural relevance”
or the reason why God spoke through Paul was because
it applied for the people of Paul’s day as a non-relevant
commandment has God has made new ones, we find
that the end’s justify the means in the way the (2) Pro-
feminist movement who as we know through history
wanted people and women to think this way, Just like
they did with the pro-abortion issue that a woman’s
body is her own, and she has the right to Safe abortion
under the case of rape, and the right to divorce, Some
feminists put across that there is still a lot of work to be
done on the issues, others say they have already won
on these cases, despite their history, still today they
disobey God by allowing such women as clergy in
defiance to God, their whole aim is to show people how
wrong the parts of the bible was on the grounds of
women in the church.

And as such they were able to willingly put aside the
things God has structured in the Genesis account as
it was written that “it is not good for man to be alone“
(Geneses 2:18), thus this is the order that God had
created, we hear it all to often said that women don’t
need men, that may be true in one sense, but they
miss the point that is God knew that women were
created for men, would indicate that it was not needful
for women to need men, but for men to need women,
and that women were created to be servants to the
men, even in wedlock Sara in the Bible called her
husband, “lord“, as we read that in 1 Peter 3:5 - 6
the Bible again is clear on the issue, that the women
adorned them selves this would be that they would
make them selves presentable before their own
husbands as a sign of subjection, with means they
submit themselves unto the authority of their
husbands as it was the case that the unmarried women
were in submission to their earthly father’s in verse
6 Sara was the greatest example of humbleness as
she was under the authority and submissiveness to
Abraham, as she called him Lord she was showing
wholly that she was obedient to God.

1 Peter 3 is another Chapter in the Bible that gives
clear instruction and a commandment concerning
the role of women in marriage, the wife is always
told to be giving in marriage and refuse not your
husbands, to be above all obedient to them, as men
are under subjection to Christ, it is taught that in
creation their was only at the beginning that their
was one species that was Adam, afterwards he
became male, thus the female came from out of
Adams rib, this in it self is a bad misrepresentation
of scripture on Gods order that the truth is that
Adam was always created to be male but Eve was
created to also look as Adam’s identical with was
human but was created to be a female, the whole
reason why God created woman was to be the
companion to Adam, as even in the way God created
animals he made them both male and female of
every kind, as we also read in Geneses 1:27 - 28
and after when God made woman and only after he
called them both first Male, then second Female,
and he blessed them meaning that as Eve was
created out of Adam he was clearly showing that
in Gods order of creation, Adams purpose has been
establish as dose Eve’s.

And that we find God had shown though the bible
with Adam was created male, so it was for this
purpose that he created woman, as it was the way
God had planed His structure in creation.

It seems a interesting predicament that women may
feel at a disadvantage, but they forget the example of
Christ, though He is God in heaven, he never the less
came down to be a servant to man, through this example
women ought to be the same.

He not only listened to his earthly parents instructions,
but he was very humble to obey them, who he was also
under the authority of his heavenly Father, and he even
said that his heavenly Farther was greater then he,
which was according to John‘s gospel.

So this means that Christ was under submission and
subjection to some one above him, so dose that mean
that Jesus Christ was ever to be above God the Farther,
obviously not as we see in nature, so we see in the
trinity God the Father, God the Son, and God the
Holy Spirit, their for how can the Holy Sprit be above
Christ when the Holy Spirit points us to Him, how can
Christ be above his Father when Christ leads us to
God the Farther, as Jesus said no man come to the
father but by me.

To submit and act in humbleness is showing obedience
in the order that God gave, as for the Body of Christ,
God considers women to be Just as valued in church
structure, and they can use their gifts and the things
that women can do in side the boundaries that God
has set, that it must be brought under church
discipline and God’s established order.

Just because a wife is submissive dose not mean to
say she is any less important or to be treated as any
object, infect God dose tell use to encourage one
another, and to build each other up in conjunction
and obedience to God’s word.

We are also not to treat women any lower then men
because women are not to teach, assert their authority
or be put in position of leaders, as in Christ we are
equal, as we have read Galatians 3:28  "There is
neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female,
for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

As we have read before this is about brothers and
sisters in the lord are one, Just as we read in the trinity
the God head 3 being one, but this dose not refer to
established order.

And for this reason that is why God has set it up, is the
servant greater then his master, it is like the rule applies
to unmarried women, that Paul’s dispute was about the
order of creation, who came first and what that order
tells us, in fact women are different then men in that
order, Women were created to be under men yes,
men were created to be under God and to obey God.

It is essential to know our own roles as believers to
show that we all need to be submissive to Gods
commandments, and his instructions as God has
said, Jeremiah 6:16 - 17 Thus saith the LORD, Stand
ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths,
where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall
find rest for your souls. But they said, we will not walk
therein, Also I set a watchmen over you, saying,
Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said,
we will not hearken.

It was very clear that Paul never suggested such a
thing as to the fact women should not teach or use
authority, it was commanded not to, forbidden even.

For example a woman who is a pastor dose not follow
nor dose she fall in line with scripture she disobeys
God, no were in the bible dose it say that women are
to be Shepard’s thus as such they bring in confusion
and division, and that because of this act they will
only bring in destruction, and deceit in the lives of
other people, but through out the old testament you
find instances of it, as we read about women who
disobey God and what God has done with them.

Other instances we always find through out the bible
Shepard’s who are pastors were all men, and those
who trained up to be teachers of the scriptures were
all men, never women, nor did ever women went up
and gave instruction.

What we find is that most of this idea of equality in
gender comes from Gnostic teaching or paganism as
we have seen that in the past with those who
worshiped Ishtar as women officiated in Immoral
practices in the temple when the apostles were around.

I also believe in why the deception stated if we look at
Genesis God had said as we read in 1 Corinthians 11:3
that says that the head of the woman is the man, thus
Satan knew this and that Eve would disobey God by
braking that order rather then consult Adam, she made
that decision to her self, she disobeyed Adam by going
over his head, and as he told Eve not to eat the forbidden
fruit, in Genesis 3:3 this is a clear indication of her
knowing that she had to obey God because she said,
but the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the
Garden, God hath said, you shall not eat of it, neither
shall ye touch it, least ye die.

This is God showing also thus applies to the women of
the church that if we disobey Gods order we have to
accept the consequences of disobeying God, in
1 Timothy 2:14 with says getting us back to the lesson
of what happened in the garden it was very clear the
reason why God would not have a woman teach or use
authority was because it was the woman who indirectly
though knew what God has said, she disobeyed God as
1 Timothy 2:14 says “And Adam was not deceived, but
the woman being deceived was in the transgression,
Eve sinned Just as many women by not obeying what
God has forbidden.

The fact that she went over Adams head by already
making the choice with out first talking to her husband,
she consumed of the forbidden fruit and then went to
her husband knowing that she was in disobedience,
and the fact she gave authority over Adam by enticing
him into eating it, by telling him what to do, in
description to Genesis 3:6, also by women refusing
to be taught by men and obedient to them, do not
want to learn at all in humility, humbleness and in
meekness when the Bible says that a woman should
learn in quietness and in full submission, rather then
obey that order and keep to the roles that are
appropriately prescribed by the Bible, with are the
things given to the men in the church, by not doing
this they commit the same act of sin that Eve did at
the beginning, in fact the greatest examples of a
submissive women was Mary the mother of Jesus,
she kept quite and her thoughts to her self.

What Eve brought onto Adam by her disobedience
will be the same mistake that the women who don’t
obey God will bring into the Church.

Its to be the case that these plain easy to live by,
and easy to understand scriptures is a big problem
for the majority of women in today’s society, there
is a fine line and binderies that women need to
know and be careful of or risk God’s chastisement
on the churches that participate with women who
are in disobedience to Gods word.

As we have seen that it was easy for Satan to
deliberately deceive Adam because she did not speak
to him, instead she listened to the serpent, this can
only prove one thing as I have mentioned earlier
that women were created more sensitive and
because of this they open themselves up to a wider
spiritual prospective, and as such can be easily lead
astray this is why God said what he said because he
dose not want women to fall under the false teachings
and succumbed to doctrines of daemons etc.

It is no surprise that a number of women who set
up their own ministries and organisations as we
learned this from the women in the past.

Here are names and examples,

(3) Mother Ann Lee - Started the Shaker Movement,
taught that the Second Coming in spirit rather then
in flesh, The Belief that God is dual, both male and
female, is fundamental to the development of shaker
theology, which is reflected in the organizational
structure, the architecture and the sacred imagery
of Shaerism. Also taught that the understanding of
the shaker gift drawings is greatly enhanced by
knowing that the symmetry and unity have theological
foundations, In his publication of The Testimony
of Christ’s Second Appearing, Shaker Theologian
Benjamin S, Young’s Expounds on the Idea that
the dual essence of the Godhead is reflected in Jesus
and Ann Lee, Father-Son, Mother-Daughter. This
notion of the dual Godhead, as well as Dual messiah
-ship, completes the symmetrical and spiritual balance.

(4) Mary Baker Eddy - Founder of the Christian Science
Cult, she founded the Massachusetts Metaphysical
College in 1881 She Began teaching her theory of healing
to others privately. She felt that she had discovered a
positive rule or Principle to healing in a new
understanding of God as divine Principle and infinite
Spirit above the limitations of material sense of reality
that she termed error.

(5) Hak-ja Han Moon - The wife of Rev Sun Myung
Moon, She is called the “True Mother” of mankind by
the Unification Church Members, possessing dual
messiah-ship with her Husband, co-saviours of the
world from sin. Sun Myung Moon has appointed her
to succeed him upon his death, Her role in the
Unification movement has increased since the early
1990s, touring various Unification organizations,
including the Women’s Federation for World Peace.

Unification Church Members regard her husband
Rev. Sun Myung Moon as the Second Coming of Christ,
and the two of them together as the “True Parents”
of Humanity. They achieved this status on January
1, 1968, and the end of their “7-year course” of
marriage together, at which point they were regarded
as God incarnate on earth, representing the perfection
of God’s masculine and feminine aspects. Unification
theology teaches that Jesus achieved his perfection
and incarnation of God only on the individual level
(a lesser accomplishment than that of Sun Myung
Moon and Hakja Han Moon due to Jesus not being
able to marry and raise up a bride).

The primary mission of True Parents is to engraft
all people on earth in the spirit world to their sinless
lineage, removing from the Satanic lineage established
at the fall of humanity (the original sin in the Garden
of Eden).

Satan has also deceived women in various forms, such
as divination, spiritualist medium, The New Age, Mind
Sciences and various cults, as we see from these names
in theosophy such as, Madam Helena Blavastsky, Alice
Bailey, Annie Besant and so on to the other top names
in Masonic Orders.

Famous Spiritualist names were, the Fox sisters, who
did fortune telling, tarot cards, Crystal ball gazing, palm
reading and so on.

As the Bible says that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
(1 Samuel 15:22) why because like God had said for they
rejected the word of God.

(6) And all this because of what Eve did in the Garden,
but as we get back to the women in leadership also as
well as those who teach or use serp authority, there is
a familiar spirit to why they are in that position in the
first place, Just like we have seen what position the
Mary of the roman catholic church plays, is also in
rebellion to God, because it disobeys the God order,
that no women is above any man, in fact the woman
of the catholic church is positioned above Christ and
in with the God head, in fact in 1984 in Medjugorje
the Vatican addressed that the Mary of the Catholic
Church is to be known as the Queen of Peace, the fact
that they have this Catholic Mary lifted up, her
message is to do what they believe Jesus could not,
in fact to even claim that she is immaculate, to pray
to her and look at her as some authority figure and
put her in par with Jesus Christ, what we do is change
what God has written on the bible even to the point
where some pray to “father, Mother, God”.

This is a direct breach of what God has commanded.

(7)As Mike Ophenhimer quite rightly puts it in his
statement and I quote from his source,

http://www.letusreason.org/Pent46.htm

Quote

Principles in Living.

1 Cor. 11:2-3 “Keep the teachings just as I delivered
them to you. But I want you to know that the head of
every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and
the head of Christ is God” (means a rule authority or
source, there is no mention of church offices of pastor,
or even elders here).

The word for man has the definite article where the
word for woman does not. There is the subjection of
female to the male.

The word for woman- gune primarily means a female
and only secondary as a wife. It should be kept
consistent throughout this portion of Scripture because
the topic extends beyond marriage [as in v.12 referring
to the creation account, men are born from their
mothers not their wives]. V.7-12 “For a man indeed
ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and
glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.

For man is not from woman, but woman from man.
Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for
the man. For this reason the woman ought to have a
symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.
Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman,
nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. For as
woman came from man, even so man also comes
through woman; but all things are from God.” The
fact that Paul is addressing outward attire of the
woman shows the concept of submission is upheld
in his instructions. These proceeding instructions
are for the Church as Paul states in v.18 “When
you come together as a church” Eph.5:21 it tells
us that we are to submit to one another in the fear
of God, then it gives the order of authority in the
home and Church.

Christ is the head of the whole church in the same
way man is over the woman. This teaches a positional
hierarchy the same as Eph 5:22 the subjection in
marriage, the wife to her husband. Vs.23 “For the
husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head
of the whole church; and He is the Savior of the body.”
Man as a husband has a special responsibility over the
woman and his family.

If man is not supposed rule over women as a servant,
than Christ is neither the head of the Church. When
God took (a rib possibly) one of Adam’s bones He
made a woman, whom he presented to Adam when
he awoke from his operation.

Adam received her as his wife, and said, “This is now
bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be
called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.”
So because she was “taken out of man” (Genesis 2:23),
the man has the preeminence, as he was the source of
the helper given to him, therefore we have the
principle and the position that “The head of the
woman is the man.” In the same manner the head
of man is Christ, as the Son of God was the creator
of Adam.

The woman was made a helpmate for man, in the
same manner the Scripture says “The Sabbath was
made for man, and not man for the Sabbath”
(Mark 2:27-28). 1 Peter 3:1-2 “Wives, likewise,
be submissive to your own husbands, that even if
some do not obey the word, they, without a word,
may be won by the conduct of their wives, when
they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by
fear” and in v.5 “in this manner, in former times,
the holy women who trusted in God also adorned
themselves, being submissive to their own
husbands.” Even if a husband is unsaved, as long
as there is no abuse and they are acting in love,
the wife is to be obedient and stay with them.

Here is a good example of spiritual leadership, the
husband is ignorant on spiritual matters and yet
the wife is not to take the role of authority that he
has in the home. It would be improper for her to
teach him, as her authority is not to be exercised
over him, so she is to win him without a word. You
have world order the church order, and home order,
each having it’s proper authority restricted to it’s
own order. In the home order the woman has a
headship, and that is man. In the church women
have a headship and that is man, man has a headship
and that is Christ.

The fact that we are one in Christ (Gal.3:28 male and
female) does not mean that we dispense with the order
of creation. Men and women share spiritual equality
but this does not negate our assigned offices or roles
we are to function in. Restriction in the church does not
mean that women are to be demeaned, ignored or
treated as slaves.

Various roles are open to them, both within and outside
of the church. Today the average church could not be in
a healthy condition without women serving along with
the men. They are able to minister in ways men cannot,
but men can minister in ways women cannot.

We should all be serving in our correct roles and offices,
not the incorrect ones. God has gifted women in spiritual
things just as he did men, but they are restricted in their
exercise. The woman’s ministry in the Church is to be
focused on women (younger women) and children
(1 Tim. 2:15; Tit. 2:3-5) for this reason we find them
often teaching Sunday school. This is allowed because
children not grown men.

For a woman to teach men as a pastor in a church, it
shows they are not in submission to God because they
are exercising unlawful authority. They can teach men
language, math, art, science, geology etc.

but they cannot teach them the Scripture in the
Church. Contrary to the popular opinion that we have
church whenever two or three are gathered, that is
what the Bible calls fellowship.

A Church meeting is when the elders are assembled
with the congregation. So what of women missionaries
planting a church or teaching men where there are no
men available? Well we should not be so myopic in our
view.

The foremost important thing is the gospel of salvation
presented to the unsaved, both men and women can
present the gospel. However once there is a church
started and men are available to take the ministry
there is no reason a woman should be pasturing. This
should be looked as temporary situation and working
toward the proper order of the church as set in
Scripture. The question comes up, why does it look
like God’s blessing is upon women pastors that teach
to men? I can only answer this with God having grace
despite our ignorance. He will bless the ministry of His
Word whether it is a man or a woman, as long as the
error is not too significant. God looks upon the heart
as well as the actions.

However if they are following the Lord and in His Word,
it would only be a matter of time before they see it is
wrong. Then they have to make a decision or they
would be intentionally disobeying a important aspect
in ministry. Essentially we cannot judge by what it looks
like to us now, it will be later when rewards will be
received because of what we have all done in right
motivation and in accordance to the Word of God
(1 Cor. 3:6-15; 2 Tim. 2:5).

After reading and researching the arguments, pro and
con and weighing them out along with my own research
in the Scripture, the evidence weighs in on the side of
men apostles, pastors and elders. However this does not
exclude women from a teaching ministry with women
and children as previously stated.

This does not hinder them from giving out the gospel or
writing books or serving on the mission field. There is
need for balance. Even if one does not agree with the
scriptures in 1 Timothy or 1 Corinthians, the other
numerous examples cited in the Scripture that show
that it was men that were ordained for ruling the
church. As stated:

women can serve in ministry in various ways even in a
teaching capacity with women and young men, but
they can’t lead the church, they can’t rule over men
as Church leaders; even my wife agrees.

Memes . . . which manifest as cults and related social
movements, have "discovered" the brain's reward
system as well. Successful cult memes induce intense
social interaction behaviour between cult members.
This trips the attention detectors. Tripping the
detectors causes the release of reward chemicals . . . .
Anyone who has ever had the feeling of being higher
than a kite after giving a public speech is well aware
of the effects of attention.

"Examples of cults using focused attention include
"love bombing" in Rev. Moon's Unification Church
and "training routines" and "auditing" in Scientology.
[...] An explanation consistent with evolutionary
psychology for the propagation of the hard-to-explain
memes at the top of this article is that successful
memes of this class induce focused attention between
those infected with the memes."

From Sex, Drugs, and Cults. An evolutionary psychology
perspective on why and how cult memes get a drug-like
hold on people, and what might be done to mitigate the
effects, The Human Nature Review 2002 Volume 2:
343-355 [2]

(2) Feminism - Wikipedia}

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

Feminism is a diverse collection of social theories,
political movements, and moral philosophies, largely
motivated by or concerning the experiences of women.
Most feminists are especially concerned with social,
political, and economic inequality between men and
women; some have argued that gendered and sexed
identities, such as "man" and "woman," are socially
constructed. Feminists differ over the sources of
inequality, how to attain equality, and the extent
to which gender and sexual identities should be
questioned and critiqued. Feminist political activists
commonly campaign on issues such as reproductive
rights (including the right to safe, legal abortion,
access to contraception, and the availability of quality
prenatal care), violence within a domestic partnership,
maternity leave, equal pay, sexual harassment, street
harassment, discrimination, and rape. Many feminists
today argue that feminism is a grass-roots movement
that seeks to cross boundaries based on social class,
race, culture, and religion; is culturally specific and
addresses issues relevant to the women of that society
(for example female genital cutting in Africa or the
glass ceiling in developed economies); and debate the
extent to which certain issues, such as rape, incest,
and mothering, are universal. Themes explored in
feminism include patriarchy, stereotyping,
objectification, sexual objectification, and oppression.

Effects of feminism in the West
Some feminists argue that there is still much to be done
on these fronts, while others disagree and claim that the
battle has basically been won.

Effects on civil rights

Securing women's suffrage has been a defining issue
for the feminist movement. Feminism has effected
many changes in Western society, including women's
suffrage; broad employment for women at more equitable
wages; the right to initiate divorce proceedings and the
introduction of "no fault" divorce; the right to obtain
contraception and safe abortions; and the right to
university education.

Effect on religion

Main article: God and gender
Feminism has had a great effect on many aspects of
religion. In liberal branches of Protestant Christianity
(and also in some theologically conservative
dominations, such as Assemblies of God[9]) women
are ordained as clergy[citation needed], and in Reform,
Conservative and Reconstructionist Judaism, women
are ordained as rabbis and cantors[citation needed].
Within these Christian and Jewish groups, women
have gradually become more equal to men by obtaining
positions of power; their perspectives are now sought
out in developing new statements of belief[citation needed].
The leadership of women in religious matters has also
been resisted within Roman Catholicism. Roman
Catholicism has historically excluded women from
entering priesthood and other positions in clergy,
allowing women to hold positions as nuns or as
laypeople. Feminism also has had an important role in
embracing new forms of religion. Neopagan religions
especially tend to emphasize the importance of
Goddess spirituality, and question what they regard
as traditional religion's hostility to women and the
sacred feminine. In particular Dianic Wicca is a religion
whose origins lie within radical feminism. Among
traditional religions, feminism has led to self examination,
with reclaimed positive Christian and Islamic views and
ideals of Mary, Islamic views of Fatima Zahra, and
especially to the Catholic belief in the Coredemptrix, as counterexamples.

(3) Mother Ann Lee - http://www.shakerworkshops.com
/shakerism-and-the-godhead.htm (shaker movement
official web site),

Held in the Rauner Rare Book Collection, Dartmouth
College Library, Hanover, NH.

See Youngs 1810 for the role of Ann Lee as Messiah.

(4) Mary Baker Eddy, ref wikipedia Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Baker_Eddy

(5) Hak-ja Han Moon - Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hak_Ja_Han

(6) Lady of Medjugorje Queen of Peace - http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~marco/medjugorje/

(7) IBID: Mike Ophenhimer - http://www.letusreason.org/
Pent46.htm