
The
Hidden Dangers Of Rick Warren
Be Warned of this Raging Wolf
One of America’s Cultists
Think
on These Things
(Philippians 4:8)
Rick Warrens Purpose Driven Life methords are no diffrent from Tony Robbins Entitled Unleash the Power with in.
http://www.tonyrobbins.com/Home/Home.aspx
"Tony
Robbins' original life-changing program, Personal
Power, had helped millions of people take control of
every aspect of their lives - financially, physically,
Mentally, and emotionally."
"He'll
show you, step-by-step, how to get from where you
are to where you want to be."
These are some of the techniques that "Warren" uses
•
How to awaken and unleash your driving force and take
consistent action!
•
How to use "your greatest motivator" to get yourself to
take action even when you don't feel like it !
• How to find out what you really want out of life and how to get it!
• How to use the power of questions to get what you want!
• How to change your limiting beliefs that have been holding you back from being the best you can be!
•
How to use the "Dicken's Pattern" to create powerful change
at lightning speed!
•
How to set and achieve goals for every important area of
your life!
•
How to identify the most common kinds of fears and
overcome them!
•
How to eliminate self-sabotage and create unstoppable
self-confidence in whatever you do!
”This
is a dangerous trend that will lead to nothing ...
to how far the misrepresentation of God’s truth can ...
exactly how virtually every cult and heresy is started”
People Should Goto the bible and not these people for any kind
of revelation from any one or even new teachings if it looks to good to
be true then it is. If it sounds to good to the ear then its far from the
truth. Jer 6:16 - "Thus says the LORD, "Stand by the ways and
see and ask for the ancient paths, Where the good way
is, and walk in it; And you will find rest for your souls. But
they said, 'We will not walk {in it.}' (NASB)
Be Warned !!!!!!
http://www.pawcreek.org/articles/endtimes/The
Purpose
Driven LifeGoldenCalf.htm
Major
Problems With Rick Warren’s
The purpose Driven Church and
The Purpose Driven Life books
1. Declares that there are many different pathways to a relationship with God.
2. States that circumstances help you become like Jesus more than the Word
of God.
3. Uses totally false paraphrases of the Word of God.
4. Teaches contemplative religion, not experiential new birth salvation.
5. Totally compromises with godless music.
6. Reduces the church to a sociological club seeking status with the world.
7. It is "Robert Schullerism" at its worst.
8. The best description of this book is "Religious Humanism."
9. It is totally ecumenical in nature and has a powerful "Evangelical and Roman Catholic Together" basis.
“
Nothing is more powerful to destroy than beautiful truths packaged in religious
garb. It’s the modern day “golden calf” lining the shelves
of our “Christian” bookstores.
The greatest battle raging in the present day church is “Robert Schullerism.
” We could call it “Norman Vincent Pealism”
or “religious humanism".
”
All of these names describe the positive thinking, Seeker/Sinner-friendly
fads that are close to totally dominating the American church and spreading
worldwide. Mix this religious fad with loud and soulish contemporary music,
from rock to rap, and that is the musical style of these sinner-friendly
churches; and it is appealing to the multitudes.
The religious emotion of the unregenerate soul is almost exactly the same
as a genuine spiritual emotion.
The inner witness of the spiritual is certainly a world above these surface
emotions.”
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1506ch8.html
Outcome-based
Religion:
Purpose-Driven Apostasy
DEFINING THE TERMS
The definitions
utilized by the proponents of Outcome-based Religion be must be carefully
evaluated.
As discussed in a previous chapter, definitions of certain words (such as
tolerance) have been changed by the modern culture. Thus, words or terms
with one definition in a previous generation may be completely changed by
a subsequent culture.
While for the most part, this process is completely innocent, the redefining
of terms may also be used as a deceptive ploy in manipulating those who
are functioning under the misapprehension of the previous or out-dated definition.
Therefore, it is critical that proper definitions be utilized when interpreting
the rules of the church game. The following definitions and explanations
must be understood:
PURPOSE-DRIVEN CHURCH
The
Purpose-Driven Church is a term coined by Pastor Rick
Warren of Saddleback Community Church south of Los Angeles.
The
idea is that a church should set its sights on its ultimate purpose and
structure its methodology to achieve that purpose.
The term “purpose-driven” is synonymous with “outcome-based”.
In his book, The Purpose-Driven Church, Warren lists the process
of becoming “purpose-driven”.
For the purposes of this report, the word “outcome” has been
substituted for “purpose”. The meaning is the same. His plan
is as follows:
•
Define the Outcome
• Demand the Outcome
• Base activities to achieve the Outcome
• Initiate the program to achieve the outcome.
The outcome in this case is exponential church growth.
NEW PARADIGM
CHURCH - Again, Pastor Rick Warren, in his
groundbreaking book, The Purpose Driven Church, states that his book is
written to offer a “new paradigm”.
(2) The basic definition of new paradigm relates a “new way of thinking”.
In this case, a new way of thinking about how to “do church”.
Reason dictates that if this is a new way of thinking in the ministry, the
old way of thinking must be seriously flawed.
This must then lead one to evaluate the “old way” as critiqued
by Pastor Warren in his book.The “old way of thinking”, according
to Warren, is characterized for the most part by those who continue to attempt
to communicate the Gospel to our modern culture in an “outdated style”.
(3) Warren’s philosophy exhibits the pre-immanence of style over substance,
which is contrary to the heart of biblical teaching. The Bible declares
that a man is to “Study to show himself approved. Rightly dividing
the Word of truth...”
(4) The Bible is also clear that God speaks to His children through His
revealed Word. The day of dreams and visions (in spite of the erroneous
teachings of those involved in the Charismatic Movement) are past (I Corinthians
13). However, when one advocates style over substance in the case of a church,
that individual is, in essence, stating that the process used in growing
the Church is more important than the doctrinal teaching of the Church.
Warren dismisses any problem with this dangerous methodology by declaring,
“...Your style of worship says more about your cultural background
than it does about your theology.”
(5) If this were the case, and if culture dictated a worship style utilizing
acid rock music, drugs, and orgies - would this not imply a flawed theology?
This illustration may well be absolutely ludicrous, but it clearly exhibits
the extremes that can be derived from the so-called “new paradigm”
approach to ministry.
Secondly,
the New Paradigm Church is intentionally designed for rapid growth, for
church growth is the desired outcome of Outcome-based Religion. In order
to achieve this outcome, the design of this type church is based on business
principles and marketing demographics.
The problem that arises from this methodology is seen in the biblical revelation,
“the preaching of the cross is foolishness to them that perish”
(I Corinthians 1:18). The Bible also teaches that Jesus himself is
“a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense”.
(I Peter 2:8) Based on this seeming contradiction, the question then must
be posed:
How do you market a product that is offensive and foolish?
The answer is simple. You must change the product’s “curb appeal”
in order to divert the perception from one of offensiveness and foolishness
into that which will appeal to the target market. These necessary changes
inevitably result in a departure from the Word of God and a creeping apostasy
that will ultimately erase the last trace of truth in a very short
period of time.
A final and very disturbing aspect of the “new paradigm” label is the fact that the term “paradigm” was popularized in the late 1970s and early 1980s by Marilyn Ferguson in her book, The Aquarian Conspiracy.
This book
was another groundbreaking work that characterized the inner working of
the New Age Movement with the term “Paradigm Shift”.
Ms. Ferguson contended that new spirituality garnered by New Age philosophies
would eventually lead to a “critical mass”
in human consciousness to bring about a major Paradigm Shift to initiate
a new level in evolution from homo sapiens to homo noeticus, the god-man.
To equate Rick Warren with Marilyn Ferguson may seem to be unfair,
but a few simple questions should be asked:
Why would a Baptist preacher incorporate New Age terminology to describe
his new methodology of church growth?
Should any Bible-believing Christian utilize any type of terminology that
would equate him (fairly or unfairly) with those involved in occult practices?
Should not common sense dictate that such comparisons would be drawn with
the utilization of this terminology?
Would some involved in occult practices not possibly see this terminology
as a signal that things are not as they actually appear in the Church Growth
Movement?
Though all of these questions may be answered in a positive manner, just
the use of this terminology is at the very least—disconcerting.
The Truth Behind Seeker-Sensitive Churches
Christian
churches that provide services designed to make non-Christians ("seekers")
feel welcome in a pressure-free, culturally-relevant atmosphere.
Jonathan Edward's "Sinners in the hands of an angry God" wouldn't
be heard in a seeker-sensitive meeting.
The Gospel is presented through modern worship, skits, and jargon-free,
brief speeches.
(John
Wimber), in his testimony, recounted how Christianese initially puzzled
him. When his wife took him to a church service, someone asked him, "Have
you been washed in the blood?" Wimber says he wondered, "When
do they make you do that?")
Seeker-friendly churches are sometimes criticized by Christians who feel the Gospel message is being watered-down. Others claim such churches are employing business marketing techniques rather than engaging in evangelism.
Seeker-sensitive churches also must remain relevant to established Christians looking for nurture:
One
fundamental of the SFC [Seeker-Friendly Church] movement is that the same
service cannot target both seekers and believers. It is said that you can
reach one or the other but not both.
Most thoughtful proponents of the straight seeker-service agree that it
is not worship, and cannot give Christians proper nurture.
Therefore, in many churches in the SFC movement, a 'seeker-focused' service
is targeted for the unchurched, and some other weekly believer-focused service
becomes the worship service for believers. In many other SFC churches, there
is only one main weekly service which serves believers and the unchurched.
This is called 'seeker-sensitive' worship.
Evangelistic worship: The problems of praise and worship and making it relevant to all - and a review of the SFC (Seeker Friendly Church) Movement , Evangelicals Now, Dec. 1998
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/news/an200312b.html
On Religion:
A mega church with a message for smaller churches
Naples News/Scripps Howard News Service, Mar. 4, 2000
(Terry Mattingly Column)
(...) Saddleback looks like a textbook megachurch, the kind that keeps inspiring
sociologists to rush to their computers. The Rev. Rick Warren and friends
mailed 15,000 invitations to their first service in 1980 and the church
had 10,000 members before it built a sanctuary. Today, 15,000 or more attend
five ''seeker
friendly'' weekend services. The sunny baptismal pool welcomes a river
of newcomers, with 1,638 baptized in 1999.
(...) But this wasn't a megachurch sermonette for folks used to clutching
a TV remote. Warren regularly preaches between 50 minutes and an hour, working
his way through a dozen scripture passages and waves of illustrations from
the news and daily life. Seeker-friendly sermons do not have to be short
and shallow, he said.
''The idea that postmodern people will not listen to a 'talking head' for
45 minutes is pure myth,'' he said. ''Of course, most people, including
many preachers, couldn't hold an audience for 10 minutes. But that's due
to their communication style, not the supposed short attention span of unbelievers.
Any communicator who is personal, passionate, authentic and applies the
scriptures to real life will have no trouble holding the attention of our
generation.''
Critics may scoff, but this Southern Baptist congregation is committed to
developing techniques to help churches with 150 members, as well as 15,000.
Saddleback services rarely include comedy and drama, because small churches
struggle to find talented writers and actors. Saddleback rarely uses high-tech
media in its services, because small churches don't have the resources to
do so.
That's OK. Warren said that ''if all seekers were looking for was a quality
production, they'd stay home and watch TV, where millions are spent to produce
half-hour programs.''
(...) Churches don't have to be shallow to appeal to the heads and hearts
of unbelievers, stressed Warren. In fact, just the opposite is true.
' 'Unbelievers wrestle with the same deep questions believers have,'' he said.
''
Who am I ? Where did I come from ? Where am I going? Does life make sense?
Why is there suffering and evil in the world? What is my purpose in life?
How can I learn to get along with people? These are certainly not shallow
issues.''
Critiques and Commentaries of Concern Relevant to
Growing Families International
03/15/02
11/13
Focus on the Family: letter of concern regarding GFI, original letter 1993 with revisions at varying intervals,
current revision released August 20, 1999. Although the wording of Focus
on the Family’s letter has varied, the organization has consistently
stated that it does not
recommend GFI’s materials to its constituents. See also Terner and
Miller, October- December 1998, listed above.
Grace
Community Church: “A Statement Regarding Gary Ezzo and Growing Families
International by the board of elders of Grace Community Church.”
Gary Ezzo developed his materials while a staff member at Grace. The church
has publicly disavowed all association with GFI. Original statement issued
October 16, 1997:
Rev.
Doug Haag, pastor of family ministries, Evangelical Free Church, Fullerton
(California): theological review in “Religious Parenting Programs:
Their relationship to Child Abuse
Prevention,” presented by the Child Abuse Prevention Council of Orange
County Parenting Program Review Committee (listed under “child Development/Psychology,”
above).
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology
/ccc/ccc.htm
Campus Crusade for Christ
(Crusade for Who?)
The "Beyond
All Limits" pastor's conference convened in Orlando, FL, Jan. 17-19,
2002. Bill Bright had the vision for this. The purpose was twofold: first,
to minister to the 5,000 pastors assembled at First Baptist Church, and
second, to launch a
new Internet program for training pastors for the new millennium, the Global
Pastors Network (GPN).
The ambitious plan to network (join together in common fellowship, ministry,
and purpose) and instruct virtually every Christian worker in the world
by way of the Internet and satellite technology in the decade ahead was
impressive. The proposed global synergistic church model, an ecumenically-styled
network of churches and ministries where doctrinal issues are set aside,
and all who say they love Jesus will join together to reach the world for
Christ.
Speakers included
Jerry Falwell, Joe Stowell, Gary Smalley, Rick Warren, and Joseph Trask.
Charismatics were also well represented (Jack Hayford, and PK's Bill McCartney),
and stressed the need for no divisions to exist between all
Christians. The above speakers and the following other ministries are part
of 200 already committed to the GPN: Kay Arthur, Henry Blackaby, Bill Bright,
Chuck Colson, Jim Cymbala, James Dobson, John Hagee, David Jeremiah, John
Kilpatrick,
Erwin Lutzer, Chuck Swindoll, and Bruce Wilkinson. A conference leader said:
In the future, those [pastors] who are not networking will not be working.
(Reported in the 5/02, Calvary Contender.)
- Announced at a press conference on 3/29/94 was an ecumenical declaration titled "Evangelicals and Catholics Together: The Christian Mission in the Third Millennium" (ECT). The negotiations toward the declaration were initiated in 9/92 by Chuck Colson and Richard Neuhaus (former Lutheran clergyman turned Catholic priest) under the auspices of the ecumenical and theologically liberal Institute on Religion and Public Life (headed by Neuhaus).
The declaration starts with " We are Evangelical Protestants and Roman
Catholics who have been led through prayer, study, and discussion to common
convictions about Christian faith and mission." It goes down hill from
there. The coalition specifically called for an end to aggressive proselytizing
of each other's flocks (in effect, a mutual non-aggression pact), and even
confessed their past sins against unity.
The declaration said: "All who accept Christ as Lord and Savior are
brothers and sisters in Christ." This conveniently ignores the fact
that Catholics espouse a works-salvation false gospel! In a revealing admission
of what brought these groups together, some signers said it was the experiences
of worshiping together in the charismatic movement and working together
in political causes such as anti-abortion [Moral Majority for example].
In fact, one writer correctly assessed that the declaration "amounts
to a truce on theological issues so that the parties can continue to cooperate
on political issues."
http://www.piney.com/MadCovMember.html
The Work And Authority of Elders
Work and
Authority of Elders: Covenant of Membership: Sowing
Discord Musically at Madison Church of Christ, Nashville.
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Phil 4:8
"Those
things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in
me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you." Phil 4:9
THERE NEVER IS A MUSIC TERM CONNECTED WITH THE WORSHIP
OF GOD IN ANY DISPENSATION. Music is frequently identified as the cause
and MARK that one will not listen to the words of Christ.
All musical terms and names of instruments (many Greek even in the OT) have
roots in that which is evil, destructive (melody or psallo) or even Satanic.
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/warrenquotes.html
Rick
Warren Connections especially to the ecumenical Third Wave New Apostolic
Reformation (NAR) and "Positive
Thinking" Movement.
compiled by Sandy Simpson, 1/04
Ecumenical Unity
The message,
which was titled "The Potential of a Single Life,
" was a witty, motivational challenge to single people to dedicate
themselves to God. Rick Warren said, "You are as happy as you
choose to be. You can waste your life on vanities, spend your life
on yourself, and invest your life for God." Mother Teresa was
used as an example, with no warning about her false gospel.
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/criwarren.html
Hank Hanegraaf & CRI Continue To Endorse Rick Warren by Sandy Simpson, 1/30/04
I wrote an email to Hank in 12/03 about my concerns regarding Rick Warren's influence in the churches. I asked them to further investigate his ties to ecumenism, Robert Schuller, the Third Wave, New Apostolic Reformation, etc. I have many articles detailing his connections and his unbiblical statements. Here is a list of them:
I wrote an email to Hank in 12/03 about my concerns regarding Rick Warren's influence in the churches. I asked them to further investigate his ties to ecumenism, Robert Schuller, the Third Wave, New Apostolic Reformation, etc. I have many articles detailing his connections and his unbiblical statements. Here is a list of them:
Niche Marketing, Audience-Driven, Full Service Churches: How We Got Here?
by
Orrel Steinkamp, The Plumbline, Volume 8, No. 1, January/February 2003
Proponents of Willow-Creek Seeker Sensitive evangelism and the wider public
have little knowledge of the historical genealogy of this movement. Most
simply assume that George Barna and
associates originated the marketing model now employed widely
in seeker sensitive evangelism. Barna, however, is a late-comer,
who actually adapted and expanded ideas that had been earlier
discovered by Robert Schuller.
The Market-Driven Church
by Gary Gilley, 6/00
While we will examine the writing of various individuals who speak for the
market-driven movement, we will focus often on the two flagship churches:
Saddleback Valley Community Church in Orange County, California, and Willow
Creek Community Church near Chicago.
These
churches serve as the models that are reshaping the way we "do church"
today. As a matter of fact, many refer to these churches and their clones
as "new paradigm churches."
Churches all over the world, even those who would claim to reject the church
growth movement, are imitating the many methods promoted by Saddleback and
the "Creekers." Others have written about church growth, but these
two churches have made it work, and for their success they are idolized
and adored by the modern evangelical community.
Critique of the "Seeker-Sensitive, Purpose-Driven" Church Method.
by
Pastor Dan Norcini, Copyright © 1999 Sovereign Grace Bible Church
These early Christians knew what to expect for confessing Jesus Christ before
men. They knew the price they paid would be dear but they possessed something
which made all of their tribulations seem light and momentary (2Cor 4:17)
– genuine faith working through genuinely fervent love for the person
of Jesus, who had loved them and given Himself for them. Can the same be
said of any of the converts of this system? Time and the providence of God
will tell. 10 part series.
My Visit To Saddleback Church
by
David Cloud, Fundamentalist Baptist Information Service, 11/03
Rick Warren claims that he has not compromised the Word of God with his
principles and methods, that he has only modernized them; but when I look
into the book of Acts and the Epistles, I see a different kind of Christianity,
a different kind of church there,than the one that Rick Warren has devised.
Thus, I must reject Warren's Purpose-Driven methods and I must warn those
who have an ear to hear, regardless of how small that crowd may be, that
they not heed the siren call of the contemporary church growth gurus.
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/profitdrivenchurch.html
The
"Profit-Driven" Church by Sandy Simpson, 3/04
The Purpose-Driven
Church, Purpose-Driven
Life and every other "purpose- driven" program that Rick Warren
of Saddleback Church is selling to the Christian masses at the moment has
an underlying agenda that is hardly highlighted by the Church or Christians.
The church growth strategies that seem to work equally well for Christians,
Mormons, Jews, Catholics and any other religion1
have
a solid "profit-driven" motive built into the programs. If you
meet the "felt needs" of people, they will come. And when they
come they bring their checkbooks with them. The more that come, the merrier.
The more people, the more money, the more programs, the more political "apostolic"
power. Though these programs claim to be focused on the needs of people,
the profit part of the equation is never far form the surface.
Bruce Wilkinson's "Jabez" book purported to teach people how to
claim God's blessing by demanding that He "expand their territories".
But the Jabez book expanded into a Jabez
empire, giving Wilkinson and others of like mind a "financial anointing"
to foist more wealth building programs on the churches ... all in the name
of building God's kingdom. Of course,
somebody forgot that it is God Who builds His Church and His Kingdom, and
often His methods are radically different from those whose methods are based
on business savvy, statistics, and false doctrines of health and wealth.
Purpose-Driven Life Sales
The
Purpose-Driven
Life is perhaps one of the highest selling books ever in the history
of Christendom. The key to getting the book into churches has been a discipleship
campaign called "40 Days of Purpose," which is coordinated with
Warren's ministry at Saddleback Church. Incorporating a satellite simulcast
highlighting Warren's teachings from the book, the
campaign has reached thousands of churches and directly resulted in sales
well into six figures.2
Note this quote from the Fuller Seminary web site that sponsors Rick Warren's
"Pastors.com":
The
real runaway bestseller in the country right now is The Purpose-Driven Life
by Rick Warren. It’s listed as #2 in your report, but you need to
know that Nielsen, the N.Y. Times, and USA Today, et al - DO NOT COUNT any
books sold through Christian bookstores. So, since October 2002, The
Purpose-Driven Life has actually sold nearly 13 MILLION COPIES (yes, THIRTEEN
MILLION), meaning it is by far and away the #1 selling book in America.
This year it’s even outsold Harry Potter; in fact, according to the
numbers in your report, this non-fiction book has outsold both Harry Potter
AND the DaVinci Code combined! And if you then add the sales for the South
Beach Diet to the Potter/DaVinci numbers - it is
ONLY THEN that you get in the neighborhood of The Purpose-Driven Life booksales.
To look at it another way, if you added up all the sales for the top 20
non-fiction books (based on Nielsen) listed in your article, you don’t
come anywhere near matching THIRTEEN MILLION in sales (Ironic, huh, that
BookScan captures 70-80% of all book sales in the U.S., but in this instance,
they’re actually missing 70-80% of the sales!).
Yet, the national media has largely IGNORED this book! Millions of Americans
are reading it and at least 25,000 churches from 80 different denominations
have used (or will be using) it as a devotional, yet very few national media
outlets see the significance of what is happening. I believe we’re
seeing the first wave of what may be a great national revival and that Rick
Warren may be the Billy Graham of our generation (Okay, I don’t claim
to be objective; I do work for Rick, yet the THIRTEEN MILLION in sales gives
you significant empirical evidence, and from our view, that means THIRTEEN
MILLION people who have been touched by the transforming power of Christ).3
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/howto.html
The New "How To" Christianity Helpful Tools or Dangerous Weapons? "... the goal of Christian mission is not success, but faithful witness; not power, but proclamation; not technique, but truth; not method, but message." - Michael Horton, Power Religion, Moody Press, pg. 15
Apologetics Premise
The apologetics premise I am using, indeed the apologetics premise all true
believers in Christ use, is the Word of God, the Scriptures, sola Scriptura.
The authority of Scriptures in the life of the believer cannot be superseded
by anything else. Not by words of prophecy, not by signs and wonders, not
by experience, and certainly not by pragmatic Christian "How To"
manuals. Pragmatism is defined as: the doctrine that the meaning of an idea
or a proposition lies in its observable practical consequences. One of the
underlying beliefs of those who practice pragmatic Christianity is that
the end justifies any means to get there. If the means is not getting you
to the
end, then the means are therefore not working and bad. C. Peter Wagner stated
this in a book on Church Growth way back in 1976:
by Sandy Simpson, 8/00, revised 3/04
"... we ought to see clearly that the end DOES justify the means. What else possible could justify the means? If the method I am using accomplishes the goal I am aiming at, it is for that reason a good method. If, on the other hand, my method is not accomplishing the goal,how can I be justified in continuing to use it?"
(C.
Peter Wagner, "Your Church Can Grow - Seven Vital Signs Of A Healthy
Church", 1976, pg. 137. - emphasis in original)
Yet we see by Biblical examples that the goal of the early church was not
to grow huge churches but to be sure the Gospel and sound doctrine were
preached. The Apostles were looking for quality, not quantity (Eph. 4).
But the Church Growth movement that is being promoted by people like Rick
Warren of Saddleback, Bill Hybels of Willow Creek, Robert Schuller of Crystal
Cathedral, Paul Yonggi Cho and others is teaching much of the Church today
to be more concerned with an end result of big numbers than an end result
of mature Christians (Heb. 5).
So therefore the means used differ dramatically from the means of the Apostles
in the first century church.
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel12.html
Niche Marketing, Audience-Driven, Full Service Churches: How We Got Here? By Orrel Steinkamp, The Plumbline, Volume 8, No. 1, January/February 2003.
"A new and more culturally adapted evangelicalism emerged
the central
figures of which were no longer the scholars who had been prominent
in the immediate postwar years but rather a host of managers, planers
and bureaucrats - and not far behind them, marketeers. This new set
of leaders view growing a church or for that mater, any Christian ministry
as essentially no different from growing a business."
http://www.fundamentalbiblechurch.org/
Foundation/fbc Analysis.htm
An Analysis of Rick Warren's The Purpose-Driven® Life
by Matt Costella
This
link abouve will show you Warren`s new book and gose
into deatail about the errors it creates.
This link abouve will show you Warren`s new book and gose into deatail
about the errors it creates.
http://www.ascg.org/links.htm
American Society for Church Growth Member Links
Links
to ASCG Members' Websites
Links are listed in alphabetical order by the last name of the ASCG member
who is associated with that link.
Global Harvest Ministries C. Peter Wagner, Founder, President (ASCG Founding President)
The World Prayer Center C. Peter Wagner, Co-founder (ASCG Founding President)
Saddleback Valley Community Church Rick Warren, Founding Pastor (ASCG member at large)
http://www.billygraham.org/DMag_article.asp?
ArticleID=303
Billy
Graham
A Conversation With Pat Boone
Pat Boone gives glory to God for the dramatic recovery of
Boone's grandson, Ryan, after a fall.
Q/ What do you say to those who have prayed for healing and for the recovery of loved ones without success?
A/ One of the first things I say, because it has happened to my mom and
dad now, is that if they are Christians, then they have new bodies when
they die. They are with Jesus; they have made it home to where we want to
be. We don't have the whole
picture; we don't see things from His perspective.
I
loved what Rick Warren,
the senior pastor of Saddleback Church, where Ryan attends, said to Larry
King when he was asked if God couldn't have prevented this. "Well,
of course He could have ... ," Rick said, "but God doesn't owe
us an explanation." He has His reasons and they are good reasons. If
we could understand God like God
does, we could be God, and that is not going to happen. But God does say
that He will work everything together for good for those who love Him and
are called according to His purpose (Cf. Romans 8:28). We see all kinds
of good through this.
Watch
this space!!!!!!
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